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Owner Of Overnight Success Studio: Miroslav Beck AKA The Overnight Boss – S2E22 (#50)
“Get your values straight and schedule your life around what’s most important to you and then fill in the rest of it with work”
In Season 2, Episode 22 of the Boss Uncaged Podcast, S.A. Grant catches up with VidFest Speaker/Sponsor Mira Beck. Mira is the Owner of Overnight Success Studios a full-scale marketing and video production studio based out of Lutz, Florida.
Mira’s story is a story of a true risk-taker. He came to the USA in 1997 for a 6-month work opportunity. After realizing that it was just a big scam, he decided to stay and make the most out of this opportunity. Left with $200 in his pocket and only a few words of English, he ‘invested’ $140 in a bus ticket to Tampa. And this is where his road to success begins…
Don’t miss a minute of this Risk-Taking episode covering topics on:
  • Why entrepreneurs need to read & re-read Think & Grow Rich
  • Fail forward as a way to find your niche
  • The importance of the 80/20 Rule
  • And so much more!
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S2E22 – Miroslav Beck – powered by Happy Scribe

All right. Hey, how are you doing, a little fact I can hear now, can you hear me OK?

Loud and clear. Perfect. OK, hold on. Let me just. Connects you to it?

Uh. Want to make sure that I’m looking at you, I’m actually looking into the camera.

One of the golden rules of video podcasting, right?

I have the lens right over the webcam because I have just a lot of camera. I just don’t like the way the webcam handles the lights and all that.

So, yeah, that’s what I was working on. I got a can of 60s that was laying around. So I’m working on setting it up because right now I’m using like onboard cameras and I just quality the depth field just sucks even with all the lighting. I got like six lights going right now.It’s still not so cool.

Plus, I wasn’t sure if I’m in the right room because it never asked me for a password or anything else. I just clicked on and I was in here. I was like, OK, I guess maybe. Yeah. Do you have it set up? I guess you just let people in without going through all the hoops

we had put the password in the euro. So like it’s.

Oh I see. I got it. OK, so it’s not required now then. Yeah. All right. Mirror we put my phone off cuz

I was bedfast for you.

It was great. Yeah. Yeah. I had fun doing the presentation. I have no idea how many people actually were on it, but I was cool and I was fine. How about your presentation.

It could have been better man. Like I made the mistake of trying to pre-record videos because I didn’t want to have the lagging issues. So I did. I spoke for some but then I did some videos like tutorials, hands on and understanding that Bedfast is more of a people thing. You know, I’m saying it’s not really just girls is more so, but, you know, information got across. So nothing else that was done as lesson learned.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we had I mean the twenty five minutes just flies by like crazy. So that was one thing that you know, I have to do it all over again. A couple more times I would have been better. But we did have some questions at the end. Like some people are watching, I got a ton of people opting in for the three drawing in my sponsor booth and stuff. So it looks like somebody was watching. I just wish that I knew how many. And for the future ones, I really wish it was a meeting. It was a meeting, not a webinar. Because with my setup I could have if there were fifty people, I could have seen all of them on the big screens in front of me. And I would have been really cool interacting with them instead of staring at myself, you know, talking.

Oh, that was definitely the weird part of it. But, you know, I think it’s all a learning experience. I mean, every year I just get better and better. So cool with it.

So do you want to give me a little bit of a kind of a background on where you want me to go with this or about your options? Yeah, just about and things like that so we can have a good interview.

Yeah. So like my questions are usually more conversational questions are going to kind of spark you to kind of think about where you are and how did you get there. So the first question I’m going to do a brief introduction is to be like, hey, hey, I met this guy at Bedfast this year. He had a great presentation. I love the fact that he kind of had no studio is not his first studio. It’s like number twenty studio form. Right. But so mirro take over is up to you, man. Tell people who you are. So that’s how we going to start off. And then from there you’re going to kind of tell a little bit about your back story. You know, does it have to be overextended? I’m going to ask you more questions as we progress after you kind of tell people who you are, Daniel. So like, what is your business exactly? Did you going to talk about your business from that black wall? Why did you get into that? Like, you know, what was your background? What did you come from? How did you even get into video development? Why did you even come up with a studio? How does that business model really work? Then from there, we’re going to kind of just kind of you know, it’s going be based upon your answers. I’m going to bounce back some questions here and there. Then from there, we’re going to go into, I think, at that point, twenty years. Right. So we always hear it takes twenty years for somebody to be a success story. How long was your journey to become successful? You know, it always perceived to be a success story overnight, but obviously that’s bullshit. So how did you really how long did it take you to get to where you are?

Yeah, I started writing a book called Overnight Success and the Seventeen Years Leading Up to the night. And then I changed the title to Overnight Success Wake Up and be successful, defining overnight success more as a decision that you have to make before you can even take the first step towards success. And most people never take the first step and never make the decision that early. So that’s where you know. But anyway, so I can definitely have a story behind it, especially with the title of the book matching the question. And I was about 17 years or something leading up to tonight. Yeah.

So, I mean, this is pretty much as it’s going to be. And the way you’re reacting is exactly what it is. And near the end, I’m going to ask you a couple bonus questions, kind of like, you know, if you could be a superhero, who would you be and why? Things along that line. And then once you get to the end and then I would give you opportunity to ask me a couple of questions live on the air and then I’ll thank you and then we’ll close out. So we’re looking at somewhere between 30 to 60 Minutes, give or take, where we go with the conversation. So

absolutely. I mean, I’m sure it’s going to. Straight into conversation as we go, so that’s good.

All right, so let me go ahead and hit record and send Kastor and hit record here once.

And I go by Mira Número also just in case you

Mira, you said mirror, mirror, mirror, mirror, Mirabeau. All right. I started running back. This is already running. All right. Three, two, one. Welcome welcome back to Boss Uncage podcast. On today’s show, we kind of look at him kind of like this, this mystery guy that’s behind the scenes. It’s like the man behind the curtain. And I met him at the office and through meeting him, he had a great presentation and come to find that he also is the owner of the studio that’s behind the scenes that’s actually broadcasting live. So without further ado, Mira Beck, who are you?

Hey, and thank you for having me on the show. And here we are. We just becoming fast friends since we only met a few days ago. But after our conversation we had the other day, I just felt like we definitely clicked. And I appreciate the invite for your podcast. I’m super excited about sharing some of my story with your with your listeners and viewers. So my backstory is you can tell from my accent, I’m not from southern the United States or from I live in Tampa and Florida, as we like to call the south of the south. But I came here from the Czech Republic. So that’s why I’m originally from that’s where this accent is from. And and I originally came to the United States in nineteen ninety seven for a job opportunity for six months to work in Texas, disassembling some old oil towers. And it was basically an opportunity that I found in the newspaper back in the Czech Republic. And I had to pretty much, you know, get my plane ticket and three thousand dollars cash to pay for the work permit and my visa, which at that time it was not that difficult to get. After that, it became something that was much more difficult. But during that time but then 48 hours, I went from not thinking about coming to the United States, to being on the plane from Prague, Desertec and from Zurich to JFK and backpack, no English and three thousand two hundred dollars in my pocket because I needed, like I said, the three thousand dollars for the work permit. But the caveat to that is, as a manager at McDonald’s, which was my job at a time, I used to make twenty-five hundred dollars per year. So three thousand dollars maybe doesn’t sound like much here in this conversation, but it was over a year of my gross salary as a manager at McDonald’s and the only money we ever had was basically a car that my dad just got almost brandnew, worth about five thousand dollars at the time, and he had to sell it overnight to get me to three thousand dollars. So I was I was able to take care of this opportunity and the funny story to do it. But then the story is that my plan was to come here for six months and make enough money to go back to the Czech Republic, which is the land of the best beer in the world, and buy a pub. That was my favorite pub that I used to hang out with my friends, and the owner was putting it up for sale. So I told him, hang on for six months, I’m going to come back and I’m going to buy cash from you. So that was the dream. Then I landed in New York the day before Thanksgiving on ninety nine to seven and got picked up by a driver from the company that took us to a hotel and gave us ten dollars to get our first dinner, which for me was the first time ever having any food buffet at a convenience store next to the hotel. So I still remember loading up that Styrofoam box and getting a large bottle of Heineken, getting to the hotel with seven other people. It was eight of us total and watching some American football again for the first time in my life and waiting for the next morning. The next morning, which was Thanksgiving. They got we got picked up from the hotel taken to the Empire State Building, which made it look really legit and taken to some fortieth for the seventh floor. And the Empire State Building got into an office with this secretary looking, you know, dude at the front desk welcoming us in. And then another guy that basically was supposed to do the interviews with us for the work permit that sounded more like a Russian mob than an interview person from immigration or whatever thing. And then we handed over to three thousand dollars to this girl in a broom closet. And as some of the you know, the defense I’m dropping, some may sound like or it may be already to kind of a dead giveaway that this whole thing ended up being a scam. So the secretary welcoming us saying was there to make sure that we don’t leave for the money, not to really be welcoming the girl in the broom closet with the tattoos on her knuckles and sweatpants. You was definitely a dead giveaway of somebody that’s shady. And yeah, so we I handed over the three thousand dollars along with everybody else, got the back of the hotel, another 10 bucks, another round of Chinese food. And then the next day was supposed to be the first day of training and as I just mentioned, big scam. Nobody showed up and we were basically stuck at a hotel with no English, no money at two hundred dollars left in my pocket. And the choices were a couple. I could have just got back on my plane and then spend the next ten years paying my dad back for the car and probably getting made fun of by my friends for another twenty five years, calling me the American, because I spent 48 hours in the United States and got robbed and came home with a tail between my legs. Or I could have just burned the bridges and stayed home. So I obviously took the second that since I’m still here, I invested quote-unquote, invested one hundred and forty dollars out of the two hundred into a Greyhound bus ticket of knowing that there were some job opportunities in Florida and on Thanksgiving, I mean, if you’re going to sleep under a tree, you’d better be a palm tree, not something up north in the middle of winter in New York. So I spent a couple of days on a Greyhound bus heading down to Tampa and actually got off in Orlando, found somebody had one of the hotels that spoke. Jack connected me with somebody who was providing jobs of the local hotels and got me to where I am for twenty three years in Tampa, Florida, of course, didn’t make my money and didn’t go back in six months. Now going on twenty three years, you know, going through a lot of ups and downs and just being where I am today as a result of that and just the last thing I want to say about a story here as a caveat is, you know, we’re always told to be grateful for a lot of things on Thanksgiving. And since this is really my first Thanksgiving story, I always tell people that instead of just being thankful for the normal things, the family and health and, you know, jobs and whatever they have going on in their life, one of the things I always am thankful for on Thanksgiving are these bastards that took all the money from me and got me into this, because if it wasn’t for them, I would have never been where I am now. I would have never had my beautiful two kids. I would have never been sitting here talking to you from my awesome studio and all the friends and people I’ve met over the last twenty- three years. None of that would probably have been part of my life if it wasn’t for these guys. And it end up being it was one hundred and twenty of us total and groups of eight. So those guys definitely cashed out with three hundred sixty grand before they skipped town. But, but it’s, it’s, you know, everybody always was going through struggles and and pivot points in life that may not feel too great. And you can kind of question why is it happening? But typically when you look in the rearview mirror after certain time passes, you can kind of tell why whatever happened back then was happening and how that affected, you know, where you are today. And typically, you know, it’s positive. So that’s how I got here, man.

Yeah. This is a the point where you just take the microphone, you just drop the mic. I mean, interview’s over. You you drop the mic. I mean, that’s a hell of an origin story. I mean, coming from kind of like rags to riches, but more so overcoming hurdles. Right. So in that journey that people took your money, you got on a bus, which took a lot of kahunas just to say the hell with it, I’m just going to go somewhere that I’ve never been before. After you just came to somewhere that you haven’t been before, like how would you define yourself in three to five words if you could pick three to five words to define yourself, what would those words be?

Oh, that’s a good question. Well, back in the day, a young, restless and willing to take risks and I had to do all over the same thing all over today at forty five. I don’t know that I would drop everything and stayed. I would have probably gone back. But, you know, it’s 22 years old. You have a totally different mindset than you are willing to take a lot more risks. And you know, you have a free life, no family to depend on you and things like that. So I would definitely say definitely courageous. And in that case and and a lot of ways probably just willing to take the risk taker.

So, I mean, obviously, we’re taking that risk that comes with great rewards. Right? Not only did you have a great journey to success, but the title of your company’s overnight success studios, which is ingenious in itself. So talk about I mean, this is not your first studio, right? You’ve got other studios to get to where you are. Tell us that story a little bit.

Yeah. Over the years, you know, after I ended up at the hotel working, washing dishes, working in a kitchen, getting a second job at another hotel in case I couldn’t work 18 hours that day, I was able to work 12 and then put out another six, a different place. So, you know, at the time I was working hard, obviously not making six to eight thousand a month like I was promised through that ad. I was making five fifty an hour. So it took 16 or 18 hours to make a hundred bucks at that time. And so I was just working for a few months and then decided I want to go to school to learn English in case I go back, I can get a better job and stuff like that. So it was kind of the normal, you know, I guess the American dream prerequisites, washing dishes, delivering pizza, you know, working, driving a forklift at Valpak, the factory for the coupons that we get the blue envelope in the mail now. But I kind of went through that. I was like an entrepreneur from day one by any means. So my whole goal initially was to just learn the language, experience this and then possibly go back. Now, in the meantime, found a girl, fell in love, was married for 13 years and had I have two beautiful kids from that. So at that point my mindset shifted. Obviously, family and getting some getting some security. But I was still at school. I was going to school so I can stay as my student visa status and still keep everything on the up and up and be here legally. And then eventually back in the Czech Republic for three years, I was trying to get to a film school as a producer and check. Unfortunately, there was only one school that accepted ten people per year and there were about four hundred people applying. So it doesn’t matter if you were number 11, not like one year. I end up being like the third or fourth on the list, but it didn’t make any difference. I never got into that school and here I obviously had an opportunity when I was in college when they opened a digital media degree with videography track to just basically join that program. And I had to do is pay. I didn’t have to qualify. I didn’t have to compete with four hundred people for ten spots. And so I just signed up. I started doing video production and instead of a producer, which would have been more like the money guy, I just started learning about geography and storytelling and just really fell in love with this video art instead of being on the production side as a producer. So I quickly graduated from from that college, even though I was there for almost seven years on and off, changing my major seven times over those years because I was afraid to take a public speaking class. So I started whatever international business and I switched to graphic design, so to accounting switch to programing, like I was making these switches every single time I was up to take public speaking class. And then and then I finally fell in love with the video. I wanted to finish the digital media degree. I took the class first time ever online, so I was able to do my public speaking class using my webcam, which I thought was my way out. And then as soon as we started the syllabus said, you need to go and join Toastmasters and deliver presentations live. You need to find your own audience and deliver your presentations and have it recorded and ship it over to the teacher. And I was like, oh, like if I just took that class in person the very first time, I would have been done with it five years ago. So something that I thought I was getting the easy way out became even harder because we had to do all that stuff. But needless to say, I graduated. I got my public speaking class and everything I just described all these different, you know, one hundred and twenty credit hours just to get my two year degree really turned out to be all blessing. In disguise, when I started my own business, because the last semester of school, they were molding us to become news videographers and news photographers, as they called them, and I didn’t want to work at a news station all these deadlines and not caring about the quality and not be able to really be as artistic as you want to be. I just didn’t want to do it. So I started my own business right out of school. I was one of the two students in the class that when somebody called a school to find a cheaper videographer for their wedding or their project, they would basically give it to me or the other person. And I was able to start doing some paid gigs while I was still at school. And I absolutely fell in love with the idea of having my own business. And at that time, besides going to school, I was working two jobs and it was really a hustle at its best. I mean, I was sleeping four hours a day and either working or going to school for the rest of the time. But what what got me into having my own business was the fact that I came from you get four to six weeks of vacation every single year, mandatory vacation here. I started at a normal job doing two weeks and after five years, that would give me a third week and I five years, I maybe get four weeks. And that drove me crazy. So I figured if I can have my own business, I can take as much vacation time as I want. I can go home for the summer, visit my family and just go maybe twice a year and do all that. And then the funny thing is that as soon as I started my own business, I didn’t take one day off for like two years. So the very reason that got me in to start my own business really didn’t happen. I took me like three years or two and a half years before I went back to see my family again, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. It’s been a ride and I’ve been basically now my own boss for 16 years. I’m officially declaring myself unemployable because I if I got hired by anybody, I swear to God I would walk in and I would try to fix everything that’s wrong with that company. I would be like the worst employee ever. So I think I’m going to own my own business and live this lifestyle with all the good and bad for the rest of my life. So that’s kind of the backstory on that. But if I fast forward by and kind of look back to your question about overnight success and growth came from, I started writing a book called Overnight Success and the 17 years leading up to the night. And that’s really the story of all of us. I believe there’s no such a thing as the overnight success in that cliche form, because that’s kind of the tip of the iceberg. There’s always a lot of years and a lot of hustle, a lot of struggle typically leading up to the point where you look like, you know, you got this overnight, but it really didn’t happen overnight and in my mind, however. So just to clarify what overnight success in my definition is, is the decision you make to become successful? Because most people never get to the point where they get introduced to a seminar, a coach or a mentor that can guide them on the path where they actually see that they could be successful. Most people just go through the life making money, paying bills, you know, doing whatever they’re doing. But making the decision to become successful is an event like you really need to decide. And then after you make the decision, you need to take the first step toward success and success. Honestly, it can be anything like everybody’s. The definition of success is going to be different, but the principle is the same. It starts with a decision. And I believe personally that as soon as you make the decision, you already are an overnight success and all the steps and all the actions you have to take after that to make your million dollars and get your vacation times and your financial freedom and health freedom, whatever your goal is, that all comes as a result of steps. You take an action, you take on the journey to success. So hopefully that makes sense. And of course, I named my studio overnight Success Studios for the same reason to stay on the brand. And in a sense, we also developed a process where we help people that have suffered some sort of knowledge and expertize to turn it into a course in one day. So they literally come in and we shoot and edit at the same time. And basically by the time they leave, they have their product and if they put all the other bits and pieces in place, they can click a button and launch their course and make some sales the next day. And that really turns it back to the overnight success studios and making it so it’s not just a cliche, but there is actually a thought behind it.

Got you. So, I mean, you’re definitely an analytical thinker. And I could just tell. Your logo as well, too, I mean, there’s a lot of symbolism inside that logo and a lot of most people may just see this, but obviously it’s an oh, it’s an s, it’s a cube. It’s all these different things. Did you create that logo yourself?

No, I will not take credit for this. I work with a phenomenal graphic designer on several logos, on my book design and everything else. And that guy just was full of talent and he designed this. And the funny thing is that at that time. You know how I mean, you know a lot about graphic design as well, and you have your agency and stuff, but I used to like actually sitting down with the person and I know normal graphic designer, and it would drive them nuts because that’s typically not how they like to work. But I would pay this guy a dealer and he would come over and I would sit with him and he would do a little bit of work. And I kind of was working on my things on the side. And I would look up and I’m like, I love that. I don’t like this and can we move this around? Whatever. But I was giving him a real time feed bag, which again, some people would take the hard way. In my opinion, it was better than him designing five concepts, sending it to me, me having to give them feedback and he wasting a ton of time. So I loved his real time back and forth design. And that’s how this logo was designed, along with several other pieces that he did for me. But I love the logo and I totally I’m glad that you picked up on the O and yes, the different color in between. But thank you for the compliment on the logo. But it was so it was a guy that absolutely loves everything he’s designed ever so great.

Great. So I mean, being that you work in a studio. Right. And I’ve had people on the show that were photographers and they work in studios as well. There’s always one crazy story, something that has happened that, you know, somebody running through the studio but naked, some something crazy, some explosion or whatever. What’s the craziest thing that’s ever happened while you’ve been recording in studio?

Oh, man, that’s a phenomenal question. And I don’t know if I’m going to do something that’s awesome to laugh at for you because. Huh? I don’t think I can think of anything really in that realm, I you know, I remember I do live events do on location and stuff. So we would have a speaker getting on the stage and running back and puking the bucket and then running back on the stage because there are so nervous, things like that. But in the actual studio, I can tell you there was never a fire. We didn’t have any crazy animals running through anybody collapse know, I had a client one time, which was really I mean, think of that. Maybe that would be a fun environment. But he was working, working. And after lunch, he is know doing his modules, his lessons, and suddenly he’s like stops and he’s like, I need a nap. So he runs over to my conference room, lays on a conference table for 20 minutes, takes a 20 minute nap, and then goes back to in front of the camera and continues on. So I never seen I know people like to take naps sometimes to recharge, but I’ve never seen anybody doing it in a way like go, go, go, stop. You’ll come back and do it on the conference table. But yeah, I just wish I had better stories for you because I know a lot of stories out there that may be more funny and more interesting.

So no, I mean, it’s definitely good. I mean, even to the point, I mean, we’re in a space where we’re dealing with speaking on a regular basis and it’s always a learning curve. As you know, I was just talking about like my speaking engagement and bedfast and like the mistakes that I made. So I know that the my next speaking engagement won’t make those. So to your point, you could be 20 years in the game and still turn around and throw up in a bucket because you never know. You get butterflies every single time you speak. So moved on to the next question, right? If you could do everything all over again, what would you do differently?

Oh, that’s a phenomenal question. So. If I had to do it all over again, I would. Like, if I have the knowledge that I have and I lose everything today, I have to go back, I would definitely focus on one thing until I get it to completion because I am a serial entrepreneur, shiny object syndrome, the whole nine yards and every idea is good and I’m just spreading myself too thin. So if I have to do it all, but I pick one thing and just focus all my effort on marketing and implementing that one thing, which in this case, you know, it would be most likely the study and of course, creation. But in the past I’ve done that. I’ve done lie, baby. I was teaching marketing. I was just doing so many different things that were just taking my focus away. And the reality of what I’m describing is implementation of the 80-20 rule. You know, like you get 80 percent of your income coming from 20 percent of your efforts. And this 80, 20 rule applies totally in every aspect of your life. And I guarantee you somebody that’s listening is in their business and they really sit down and break down. Their income is coming from. And where their efforts are going, they will probably find out an 80 percent effort of their efforts only produces 20 percent of their income, and then the other 20 percent of their effort produces 80 percent of the income. So that’s what I would focus on mainly. Yeah,

this is very, very interesting answer. So, I mean, what’s your background? It seems that you’re very business savvy, right? You have business acumen. Obviously, you’re in your mid 40s, so you’ve had time to grow and adapt this, but usually people would not use. My main question in this sense is, do you come from an entrepreneurial background, be outside of the fact that you’ve you’ve earned a lot of the things that you’ve got is your dad is your mom and entrepreneur, like, where’s the savageness come from?

I’m getting chills on my bag, just thinking about the answer right now. I the answer is no, not at all. So both my mom and my dad went to vocational high school, ended up working in a factory, my dad in the music instrument factory for the entire time, all the way from high school to his retirement a couple of years ago, worked in the same place. My mom worked in a factory actually actually passed away the year I came here. So a few months before I decided to come here, she passed away to cancer and just horrible battle with cancer. And that’s basically what she did her whole life. So now when I and that’s why I’m laughing when you were asking the question, because when I call my dad, every time I tell him about this new idea, new adventure is something I I to invest into or I’m buying, it’s always the same thing. Oh my God, don’t spend any money, put everything in the mattress, don’t take any risks or this, you know, go get a job for a company so you can have a retirement and all that, that mindset basically from the generation before us, which I don’t blame him for it like that. They grew up and that’s how they were brought up. And having Social Security and retirement and all that stuff was fine. I’m afraid in our day and age we’ll be lucky to even see Social Security when we retire. I really feel that we need to be responsible for our own retirement and do whatever it takes to either save up or make some investments or build your business and prep it for sale or do whatever it takes, but not relying on the government to take care of us when we decide to retire. So, yeah, so definitely no influence on entrepreneurship. Not even mentioning that my first 14 years of my life, I was living in the communist Czechoslovakia. It only became the Czech Republic in nineteen eighty-nine and or the communism dropped in 1989 and became Czech Republic in nineteen ninety ninety nine. They want something but I didn’t know anything about entrepreneurship because there was no entrepreneurship in the communist countries. It’s everybody gets the same, everybody works, everybody and everything is controlled by the government. There is no entrepreneurs during those times. Now of course, when the borders opened up, I started seeing companies coming in and as I mentioned, you know, I worked at McDonald’s. There was no McDonald’s during communism. So that came in after nineteen eighty nine. But over here, my first taste of having my own business while I was still working was to start my own custom furniture company, which I built five pieces in my garage and couldn’t even get a loan from Home Depot to buy supplies. So I stopped doing that after after I built five pieces and pretty much zero money. And then I started billiard company called Olympic Billiards, and I was going to sell pool supplies, delivered supplies. But before I even launched, I got a call from the United States Olympic Committee telling me that nice effort and nice looking website. But they have a copyright on the name Olympic and I can use it. And, you know, at that point, I just got discouraged enough that instead of changing the name, I just shut down that project as well. And then finally, I started the video production company shooting weddings, initially about 100 weddings deep before I found this world of seminars and self-development and all of that stuff. And I never look back. And now, five hundred, seven hours later, I’ve seen thousands of speaker and tons of seminars and stuff. But it all started, you know, just kind of a little stepping step in blocks. Like I didn’t fall into this. Even with the seminar business. You know, I heard of Dan Kennedy had the first seminar I ever did and marketing and sales and all of that stuff. And, you know, I subscribe to his newsletter and got some books that I never end up reading. Like a year went by before I got hired again to do the same exact seminar the next year. And that’s when finally it clicked. So none of it happened for me, like, you know, from day to from one day to another. That was a process. It took me years to even get on the path to my own success, even though I was making some steps, I guess inevitably at that time.

Yeah, it’s funny that you said that. I mean, I think that’s why you and I kind of connected like we just met literally a couple of days ago. And to your point about the furniture thing, I got into like a building and I was shouting sell lamps into cigar bars. And I’ve accomplished some of that. But to your point, I’ve jumped around in multiple different facets. And I think it’s just kind of it’s not necessarily ego, but it’s more hunger is more of a desire to find something to hold on to to find your level of success and to be an entrepreneur and be successful in it. So you’re willing to take the risk and pour your heart into it, see what’s going to work in development of a. Then you kind of set you back, but then you restart and do it again, so I definitely commend you for finding your niche, right? I mean, that’s really what it is in finding success. You have to find your niche. You have to find your target audience and run with it. So for you,

I mean, doing is always also not looking at things as a setbacks either, because my seven majors that I switch at school, it all came handy when I needed to build my own website, when I did my own accounting and everything that I started when I started my own video production company. All of that. I think all of those things came and came in handy. And even building the Olympic billiards website, I mean, I just got a test run on using HTML and learning a lot of the things in practice. So, you know, I have no regrets at all. Looking back, you know, there was a reason for all of those things that happen in my life. So failing forward, failing fast and and brushing it off and just taking the next step. I think that’s another big key to a lot of people’s success. So when you fail one time, you don’t fold and go cry in the corner. You just kind of learn from it, move on to the next thing and also

shake it off and keep running. Man. So obviously, you’re a big family man as well. So how do you juggle your family life with your work life?

Well, that’s a great question. And, you know, that would be another one of those things. If I had to go back, I would have done some things differently, because in the beginning I was just focusing on working, working, working, traveling and just hustling and then not much time for the family. And that’s when I mention I was married for 13 years. I just suggest that now I’m not and end up losing that relationship and end up in divorce and I, of course, love my kids and I see them as much as I can. But now what I’m doing and what I would have if I could go back and do something differently would be scheduling my personal time and my family time first on my on my calendar and then filling the gaps with work rather than scheduling work and then try to squeeze in the family time and the personal time in it. And that’s why I was going through ups and downs as far as the relationship goes, my health, my weight, like there was so many different things that I was doing. And typically when I was doing the best financially, everything else in my in my life was out of whack and having being healthy and having a routine know, doing some meditation and just taking care of yourself. And then, you know, taking care of your family and then, you know, putting the business kind of the business is supposed to be like most of us start our business to support our lifestyle and then it turns out that lifestyle is supporting the business. And then you are in the drought for a decade and then you finally realize what’s happening and then you learn from that. Then you go back to refocus. But if I had a mentor, somebody could tell me early on to really focus on me and then put the business as a second as a secondary thing or third thing, whatever, after your family, that would have been a big, big deal for me. I wouldn’t have to go through some of those earlier stages where I would just be really bad healthwise and my back and weight gain and all that stuff and then go back to normal again and get a health coach and workout and, you know, those were my best times of my entire business career. It’s always been those times where I had to, you know, structure in place. And I was scheduling the time for me and the time with my family and then do the business as a secondary thing.

Yeah, I mean, that’s a very powerful answer. And I think most entrepreneurs, including myself, fall victim to exactly what you just described, trying to find a balance, trying to juggle things. So, I mean, I think you definitely alluded to something that we all should practice. So what are your morning routines? I mean, coming from that mindstate states now that you have more of a grass and hold on what your goals and what you should be doing? What are your morning routines? What time do you wake up? What do you do every morning?

Yeah, so now I’m back on track. But before I move to the studio, I definitely fell into this culvert thing a little bit and I wish I took advantage of being at home a little bit more. But the last two months or so, I ended up moving out of my rental that I was living in while I was waiting for this new house with the studio being built. And then I got kicked out of that because my lease was up. My studio got closed because my lease was up a couple of weeks before I got this one. So I was in a state where I have to say with everything I know and everything I know I should be doing, I was not. I got a few weeks of time where I would be just watching Netflix and eating ice cream. And I’m just going to you know, it is what it is. Looking back. I’m proud of it. No, but now that I finally got back on track, my morning routine is I get up at 5:00 in the morning, which was always my dream. But during the time I was kind of getting up at seven or eight and just I just hate getting up late because. At the end of the day, I feel like I haven’t accomplished anything, I feel this sluggish feeling, but I get out of bed at five. By noon, I feel like I’ve conquered the world and I’m so accomplished now, do I am I am owning a person? No, not by not by choice, but maybe by choice. Yes, but not by nature. So I get up at 5:00 in the morning. My key to be able to actually get out of bed at 5:00 in the morning is a going to bed by 10 o’clock the night before. So if I stay up until midnight, there’s no way I’m getting up at 5:00. So the morning routine starts the night before for me then. I like to write down the night before, but my big thing to accomplish is for the next day. So, you know, I don’t like long to do lists, but, you know, if I accomplish these two things that day or this one big thing, it’s going to be mission accomplished and then anything else will be a bonus. So now in the morning, for me to actually physically get out of bed, I need to put my phone with my alarm in my bathroom. That takes me at least ten steps to get to it. Now, if I put it on my nightstand, I’m I’m the king of snoozing. I can literally have multiple alarms running every 10 minutes. So like, let’s say every two to three minutes, I get the alarm and I keep hitting the snooze button, sometimes for hours. So I literally would go for two hours snoozing every two minutes. It’s ridiculous because when I finally get up, I’m like, what the heck did I just do? Like, this is crazy. But during that time, you’re, like trying to get back to the dream you’ve had and, you know, whatever. I’m sure there’s a lot of people know exactly what I’m talking about. So get out of bed, hit the ground running at five, get my alarm away from me so I can hit and kill it and not go back to bed. Now, with my back, I have this massage chair, the full body massage chair, so my first thing really when I crawled out of bed is sit in the chair for eight minutes to get my back going and the blood flowing. And I just love that as a part of my routine can start thinking a little bit. Can the brain up? I love to read for at least 30 minutes something inspirational and Tony Robbins books or just anything that I can do to stop feeding my brain. And then I just got the peloton thread, which is, oh, my God, the best treadmill I’ve ever seen in my life and experience in my life. So I, I don’t roll around because of my bag, but I do speed walking. So I go for 30 minutes, speed walk on the treadmill. And again, most of the time I don’t do the classes. I just watch like Russell Branson videos or some sort of video that I can again continue to develop myself and my skills and then I would have my bulletproof coffee. So instead of breakfast, I’m kind of been for the last year and a half hooked on the, you know, bulletproof coffee is with butter. And this Brannock coconut oil nice mix it all together in a blender so it doesn’t have all that grease swimming on the top of it, but it’s basically becomes nice, white, foamy coffee, whatever. But I just love that. And I can run on that thing till noon, one o’clock before I get some lunch. But that would be, you know, the morning routine. And ideally, I still fall into the trap of looking at my phone too early and looking at my emails. And as soon as I see something come through that immediately gets my brain into that mode and it’s game over. I’ve done this in the past and I really am working toward doing it again is simply not even open my email till 8:00 or 9:00 and just focus on the planning and myself and the first few hours of the day, because I know once I open up the demo, there’s going to be a fire I need to put out. There’s going to be clients asking for stuff is going to be something that’s going to throw me off the schedule. So taking care of myself first in the morning instead of leaving it for the evening typically works out because there’s no variables in the morning unless you feel really bad, have a headache or something. You know, typically you can commit to that routine. But I try to go to the gym in the afternoon and stuff. It’s almost never happens because there’s always something going on.

I mean, yeah, I mean, that’s a hell of a morning routine. I mean, you’ve got to down to a science. It’s it’s crazy. But I mean, the majority of people that I talk to. Right, they have regiments like that very strict and they try to stick to that script. And also part of that it was a good Segway for you was you talk about like learning. Right? So what books are you reading right now or audio books? Are you listening to Garlett?

Yeah. So right now I’m actually deep into chorus because, you know, I help lots of people create courses and I buy a lot of courses or invest and a lot, of course, I should say. And so right now I’m going through Brunson’s Dynex training, which is all about webinar creation and specifically webinar process. So I’m pretty deep into that. And I have Letting Go is a book that I’m about halfway through and then I usually read more than one book, but right now on my nightstand is I think and grow rich, ready to go again. I’ve read that book five times already and I feel like I need to read it like once a year every year, because every single time I read it, I find some totally different message come out of it. So that is one that I keep reading over and over. And then I do. I have probably close to nine books in my audible account and I like to listen to podcasts of And I’m Driving or an audio book if it’s a longer drive. But again, it’s my one of the podcasts I would listen to and his podcast for hours long sometimes. So it lasts me for a few days to listen to one of the episodes, but I have several other podcasts that I would load up and and listen to in the car, because even though I work from home now, I don’t travel as much and I don’t have to commute every now and then when I have to get out, I know a listen to something and be very appreciative of the fact that I don’t have to drive anywhere every single day and commute. But I very much appreciate what I have going on now, basically working from my home again and not have to be on the road with all the crazy people out there.

Got you. Got you. It’s funny that you brought up thinking grew rich. I mean, literally on this podcast as I started in February this year, like your number six to seven, probably No. Eight person, including myself, that has brought up think and grow rich and has made this almost the same exact comment that you’ve made, like you should really at least once a year. You should read it every time you really are you going to get something else out of it. And it’s one of those books that’s been around since like nineteen thirty two. It’s a timeless book. So again, if you have not read this book, this is not the first person. Is that. A second person is now the third person on this, Pocker says, pick up this book and take a listen to it, read it in all format.

So, yeah, I can tell you, I know several very successful people. And one common denominator between all of those is that they read thinking road rage either as the first book of the year, starting on January 1st every year, or they start on their birthday. So but pretty much the common denominator is they all read it some 20 times, some even more. And everybody really defers back to the book. And if you look at it, some of those principles for those of listeners that haven’t heard of it or read it, that, you know, you look at Tony Robbins and Jim Brown and all these people that are now like the big motivational speakers and and these gurus, most of those principles come back from that thinking wrote a book like that is kind of the business Bible of, you know, every other principle that you hear today. You know, people put their own spin on things, but the principles that the 13 principles or 16 principles, whatever, and that book, pretty much everything you hear around from all these experts and gurus goes right back to that book. So it’s an awesome book to read. Definitely.

Definitely. So what tools to use in your business that you wouldn’t be able to do what you do without?

So the last few months definitely zoom and a lot of zoom calls this technology for the daily stuff. We have our CRM, I’m using QI, which used to be Infusionsoft to around my database and my CRM. I use click funnels for all my funnels. And I have another platform called Experience Wi-Fi that I use for my membership platforms. And those are really kind of the software stuff. And of course, you know, other tools would be for me, video equipment, camera slides, things like that in my in my studio. Plus the giant video wall that we you saw first on the first day that we use a lot for our virtual summits and virtual meetings from here. So but that’s kind of what I probably do on a daily basis for sure. And Cholmondeley for scheduling. I mean, I love that that fact because I’m horrible with calendar and keep in it up. But having automation plugged in to scheduling, which so always been my dream and really it’s only been the last six months where I was able to finally implemented. But it’s reliable and, you know, it’s very kind of predictable and it’s working for me. So me setting out a link and somebody clicking the link, choosing their time slot to chat with me, and then currently talking to Zoom and setting up the meeting automatically and then slapping into my calendar. So when I wake up, I just see new stuff on my calendar and I go and at the time I click a button and it’s working. That to me was critical because otherwise I would be missing appointments. I would have to be doing things by going back and forth via email with people or text messages or whatever, but having some sort of automation when it comes to scheduling, it’s definitely a life changer for me. Solid stuff.

So if I’m a new entrepreneur and I’m stepping on the scene to say I’m 27 years old and just like you, I’m on that journey, I’m trying to figure things out, I’m jumping around. What words of wisdom would you have me?

As an entrepreneur, well, I’m going to go back to the you know, get your values straight and, you know, are you single or running wild? You can do pretty much whatever you want and go hustle and work around the clock if you want and find some time to take care of yourself and your health, because eventually that is going to be the only thing you got left. And if your you don’t take care of your health, none of it, none of nothing else really matters. Now, if you were to have a family, you have other obligations, things like that, I would say, again, get your values straight and schedule your life around what’s most important to you and then fill in the rest of it with work. And then, you know, the other thing would be just fine. What you’re passionate about. Right, right. In the beginning, because in those days, Whitney is one of my clients and and pretty popular guy out there. But I’ve learned this from him. So there’s like four stages of life. And the second and third stage is what I like to refer to is you from your 20s to your maybe late 30s, you’re in the warrior stage and most of us use that stage to hustle, make money and typically end up with some health issues and relationship problems and all of that stuff, because all we were doing was hustling and focusing on being the warrior. Now, after the warrior stage in the early 40s, for most people, you move into the statesmen stage where you start looking for the higher purpose, like what else is to life besides work and what is my higher purpose? How how can I help other people? How can I pass down what I’ve learned from my mentors and throughout this journey? And I would say if you can get to that point faster and move from the warrior stage to the statement stage in your late 20s instead of early 40s, that would be a life changer. That would probably help you retire by the time you’re 40 and live life, that’s way more valuable and way more fun. And you’re going to figure out your your big why and your life purpose and what you want to do much sooner in life than when you’re at your retirement age. So, you know, that would be that and definitely, most definitely get a mentor, get somebody once you figure out what you want to do in life, find somebody who’s done it already and most people that I know are the real successful people, not just the flashy sports cars, mansions, and being one payment away from losing it all because it’s on credit and literally they’re broke, like find somebody, you know, those people typically will be the ones that would not be willing to share their wisdom with you. Now, the ones that are the quiet multimillionaires that are really successful deep down, but they don’t flash around with all the other fancy stuff. Those I found are typically the ones that will be happy to share with you a lot of their wisdom and mentor you a little bit and you do things that would help you fast track your success. So definitely find a mentor that’s been where you want to be and find a good one. That’s actually what I really want to be helpful and and pay it forward as they typically like to do. And once you get to that point, make sure you pay it forward to somebody that’s younger than you and need some guidance. You know that if we continue that cycle of helping the younger generations to achieve success faster, you know, I think over time the world is going to be a better place for sure.

I mean, as I say, definitely a powerful and insightful answer to and I think it’s also one of those answers that. It’s building blocks, it’s not just a generic answer, it’s giving people exactly what to do and how to do it. So I definitely appreciate and commend you for giving that that level of detail and insight into that answer. So moving into how could people get in contact with you? I mean, websites, social media accounts.

I mean, for me, if somebody really needs, you know, to chat with me and have a conversation about their business or their journey, that somebody needs some help, the easiest way to reach out to me is just shoot me an email. Mirah MHRA at back A That’s B, e, c, k, a v dot com. And we obviously I can help people with putting on live events, I can help people with creating courses or running virtual events from our from our place. But I’m also always very happy to help to just get on the phone with somebody on a zoom call and just have a conversation about their next project and whether we work together or not. You know, it doesn’t really make any difference to me because I know statistically a lot of people do become my clients and I’m totally happy to talk to everybody, even if we don’t do business together. So I’m here. I’m open book. If any part of my story inspired you, if I have something that you may find useful, just reach out to me. Shoot me an email mention that you heard me on the show and so I know where you came from and I’ll be happy to help you on social media. It’s under Miroslav bag, so I don’t know if you have a show notes, you can just spell it out. But am I r osl a V, which is the full name. Miro’s just a short version of that. So Miroslav, last name back. I’m on Facebook practice so you can be up on Facebook and we can connect through their.

I mean I could definitely attest to a man I’ve reached out to him and that’s how we even got on this call right now. I reached out to him a thirty minute call, probably turned out to be like an hour. We just kind of bouncing ideas and having the conversation was definitely not only insightful, but I think it was more so stepping stones and building blocks to to get to the next level. So I definitely appreciate you. And then anybody that’s out there listening, I would definitely take them up on that offer and give them a phone call sooner than later. So going into the bonus round, right. If you could spend twenty four hours in a day with anybody dead or alive, who would it be and why?

That’s a good one. So my son, somewhat funny answer, would probably be Donald Trump, because they just get half of the people stop listening. But I’m not talking about a president, Donald Trump. I’m definitely talking about the business that is able to build the empire that he’s at. And I always used to love watching The Apprentice and doing that. But to bring it back to actual person, you know, I love Gene Simmons, not from the band Kiss. I don’t know if you ever seen him, dog, but, you know, a lot of people may not know how much of a great businessman he is and never drank, never did any drugs. I mean, he literally was one of the rock stars that was always clean and always focused on building his business, making a ton of money. I think last time and I saw Gene speak was. Pumping out about three thousand promotional products, he always says, we have a case logo and everything from condoms to casket’s, so they go from birth to death and everything in between. And I feel like that guy, if I could spend 24 hours with him and shadow him and pick his brain on some of his philosophies and some of his business strategies would have been really, really awesome. And I even back anybody actually was watching the initial episodes of The Apprentice. He was, I think in the second season or whatever, ended up leaving early, early. But I think he would have wanted by by a landslide if he stayed. But after talking to some of his people at one of the seminars I was at, they did say that he had a prior engagement. He already knew he was going to leave after a couple episodes. But just those two episodes that he actually did some of the tasks and stuff, you could just tell how smart that guy is and how he thinks. But then there was the reality show today that Gene Simmons family jewels as well. I love watching that one. So a lot of nuggets with that guy. And I would definitely love to spend a day with him. I think it would be pretty awesome. And another guy that people may or may not know about is Nido Qubein. Qubein is used to be a president of the National Speakers Association. A lot of other, you know, lazy boy. He’s on the board of a lot of companies like Lazy Boy and the some great harvest company, bread company, whatever. But most importantly, certainly, after all his successes and all the money he’s made in that world, he took over a high point university and I believe it’s in North Carolina and took that school from his worn down college to university. I don’t know if it was five hundred seven hundred million dollars through different fundraisers and donations and stuff like that and turn it into school that I’ve heard several of my friends that have kids exploring colleges that are actually taking them to tour that college. But there are so many things he’s done to that place and listening to him speak is so inspiring that, again, the guy is two or maybe still does give his time in units. So if you make a million dollar donation to the college, he’ll give you two units of his time, which is usually five minute one unit. But I think that spending a day with that guy would be pretty awesome. But the I look him up. Nido Qubein is another awesome, awesome, awesome. Yeah,

definitely, definitely well, I definitely appreciate the detail inside that you gave and again, I had the same experience with the call on you, and I knew that you were going to come on this podcast and deliver a lot of damn value. And I think you went above and beyond. This is the time when I usually give the microphone to to my guests, because in these conversations, you never know what’s in your mind. Right. So is opportunity for you to ask me any questions that you may have had.

Great. Yes, so let’s go back to some of the stuff that I actually share, but while I would love to ask you about your origin story, but I’m assuming that you may have shared that with your listeners already. So if you don’t repeat that, let’s talk about your keys to success. So what what have you learned already by kind of trial and error? What were some of the failures you learn from and you use it as a stepping block to the next thing that you could share with the listeners that you might have not heard yet the last episodes that you’ve produced?

I think one big thing that I’ve learned is to be fearless and not fearless and being reckless, but being fearless in somebody is going to tell, you know, that you would fail, something will go wrong and you’re still going to do it. And just in that space of understanding that no matter what’s thrown at you, if you’re going to overcome it right and you’re deciding to overcome it, no matter what happens, you will overcome it. So being fearless is one thing that I live by like I teach that to my kids is just kind of like fear is not really an option as a choice. Right. So don’t make that choice. Think about the outcomes and focus your mind on the positive outcomes.

That’s awesome. And a second question I would hope for you after our initial conversation, you’ve mentioned all the different pieces of all the different businesses and facet to your business. So share with us all the different components that you have currently that you are running from your books to your digital agency to everything in between. And how do you juggle all of that, like what kind of systems you have in place or what is your schedule look like? So you’re able to actually pay attention to all of those things and, you know, get all those books that you keep writing and have everything else going on. Like my head was spinning. You just telling me all the stuff you do, even though I’ve been through a lot of it. But I’m still like, how is this guy doing that? So there is an opportunity for me to finally get the answer. Maybe.

I mean, yes. So for me, it was creating microcystin. So there’s big systems in their systems, within systems. So when I look at my books, I’m like, OK, here’s a system for book development and it’s a scalable and I’ll test that theory. OK, what part of this book do I need to kind of develop and then who can I pass this book off to to kind of complete it to whether that’s copying, editing, designing, even possibly ghostwriting. Right. So that’s that’s one system as far as my publication, because we’re also helping other people write their books. It’s the same philosophy. Whatever I’m doing from my system, from my books, that I’m taking that and I’m perfecting it and then I’m reselling it and helping other people go through that journey through the system that I created for myself. So that’s how I’m doing the books as far as like the Web design, graphic design and agency. Same thing there, right? So it’s a system within a system. To your point, we have CRM set up. You know, we use everything from HubSpot, for example, to kind of have things organized. And then I’m always constantly online at like Atsumi and I’m always looking for deals that are lifetime deals, that are systematic deals. So what does that look like for me? Prime example, my podcast. Right. I need transcriptions. So I got a software that was a lifetime deal that has transcriptions that also allows me to send this particular transcription to an editor and give them access to my files. So to me, that’s a gold mine. It means I don’t have to sit there and read to my transcriptions. I can say, hey, go edit these five podcasts. Here’s the link, step and repeat. So again, I’m taking multiple systems and I’m bringing them all into my ecosystem and I’m like the octopus in the middle. OK, this system needs to be adjusted. The system needs to be tweak. The system is not working. I need to replace it. The system is still up and running, so I could pay some attention to this one. And so it’s always a constant juggling act. And I’m still on the journey to figure out the equilibrium between the systems. And I think I’m really close to having all of them running effectively. But some of them need a little fine tuning here and there.

That’s cool how many people do actually have either on full or virtual staff

comment about 22 right now. So so between the designing the development, the copyediting, the podcast and now with VID fast moving into like YouTube because Frevo was known, YouTube’s value would have been preaching to all my clients, get videos, shooting videos, everybody. But it’s like now like finally I have to be the bearer of bad news to myself and be like I have to step into the video space and I have a video editing background and all that. And that’s kind of why I kind of stayed out of it. But understanding the value of it, I had no choice but to create a system in video now.

So I know how many question I have, but I have at least one more. If you go for if somebody that’s listening to the show now is a one man show and that plays where like, I need a help, but I cannot really afford it, but if I could afford it, I would. It’s kind of the juggling act before hiring the first person and taking that leap of faith, knowing that you can pay them and you can you know, you have enough work typically. But what is the mindset type advice you would give to somebody that is on the edge to take the step? You know, who should they hire first or what would be kind of like the best use of their of their money to pay somebody else for what kind of work? Like you’ve done this obviously by multiple times now. So what would you tell somebody that’s that’s beating themselves up over this situation where they need help? But I don’t think they can afford it yet.

I think the answer is probably more simple than we realize. Right. So find the thing that you do the best. Like so like for me, I’m a designer by trade. That was my first degree. So I know I could design my ass off. And then I have all of the things that I’m kind of learning and growing. And it may sound kind of polar opposite. They would usually tell you to find somebody to do something that you suck at. But I’m saying find somebody to do something that you’re great at because now you can systematize it. You know exactly what you’re looking for. You know, all the steps record, the steps make. And so you make a statement of work and then have everything listed out and then have a checklist and then take that checklist and provide it to somebody. So now when they’re doing this work, you can kind of just refer back to a checklist. You can know where their mistakes are because you’re so great at doing that one thing and now you have somebody else. And once they get to the point to where they’re at by 70 percent of where you are, then you can kind of take it out of the system and apply it to something else and apply it to something else. So find the thing that you’re great at, whatever that is. If you’re a great writer, find another great writer. If you’re a great designer, find another great designer, find another great developer, whatever it is, put checks and balances in place and it let somebody else lead off with that, because now you understand when they go wrong how to pick apart and help them succeed.

Yeah, that’s a good answer. And as far as the money mindset where people don’t think they can afford to help at all, do you get do you go and get somebody, you know, ten hours a week and then ease them into something more or just do stuff like, you know, because I’m assuming that one of the keys in this thing is going to be, you know, do have enough work. And are any of the parts of that work totally not worth your time? Or you should be doing some more high dollar activities versus doing some of the low ones that you can outsource. But you know, what would be the structure in that? Like, am I on the right track, like saying it this way? Or is there another another key or another helpful to that? You would have, you know, outsourcing some of the stuff and knowing that you can actually pay for it.

Yeah. So paying for it. I mean, obviously there’s different ways of of getting things paid for, right? I mean, through podcasting, you could possibly get affiliates or you can kind of get people to kind of support and make donations. Right. And then you want to find somebody. But when I find people, I’m not just looking for someone like Magadha edits my podcast. He’s a podcast editor on the system that I found them in. But by trade, he’s a video producer and a scriptwriter. So for me, I’m thinking in my head, OK, this guy is a good long term person. He’s not in a bubble. He understands where he can make money now. But he also understands this other opportunity for him to write scripts, to produce content. So for me, I’m thinking, OK, long term, for years now, they want to do a TV show. Hmm. He’s been working on my podcast. So he understands my system. He understands the conversations I’m having. So then I can say, hey, what would what do we look like? We took our season one from two years ago and convert that into a script. But he’s already on my team and he really understands. So I look for people that have dualities, people that have dual services. When I interview people, I’m saying, OK, this is what you’re doing now. This is what your trade is. But what is it that you really want to do? Where does your passion really lie? You’re doing this for money, but where do you want to go and usually want to ask that question. The answers I get is one or the other. Either one is, oh, I’ll do whatever you say to me is kind of like that person’s not going to last long. And then the other person is kind of like, well, I enjoyed this, but I really and I found one of I like that he was a P.A. and he was helping me do stuff and then come to find out he’s like an application developer. I’m like, what the hell are you put the hell, what the hell are you? If you want to write code. So I migrated from being a personal assistant into web development because that’s where he wants to be and since I’ve done that, I mean, he turns and burns 10 more items or tenfold versus doing tbsp stuff. Because I asked a question, he told me the answer and I fulfilled that requirement.

It sounds like you actually are definitely a leader and a people person because with one or two people to work, I mean, you know, I never had a dream of having that many people under my management and stuff because I just don’t really enjoy that part. But you sound like you’ve cracked the code on these standard operating procedures and actually asking the right questions and helping people grow. And so if anybody is listening to this and that stage, those, I think are the most important traits of someone who wants to have staff or people working for them. You really need to become a leader and get some education and some of the social development, maybe read some books on that topic. Otherwise you’d be by churning and burning through people that, you know are never going to want to stay and probably not do a great job either. So. Yeah, but no good answers. So, yeah. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to ask some questions.

Well, I definitely appreciate your time and I think this was definitely a hell of a podcast and a hell of a two way conversation. It wasn’t lopsided by any means. So I definitely appreciate your time. I definitely appreciate the information that you gave to my community. And I look forward to keep following you and to see what other things you’re going to come up with in the years to come.

Same here. I really appreciate it. And I can’t wait to see how you implement some of the things that you and I chatted about before. And, yeah, good luck with all your ventures. You’re doing awesome.

I appreciate it.